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Hours: Monday-Friday a. Phone: Cookie and Privacy Settings. How we use cookies. Essential Website Cookies. If we knew it, there would be no need for faith. But the Bible proposes a different relationship between faith and reason. Knowledge is not the opposite of belief, as the Mormon scriptures suggest. Rather, the Bible presents a view of faith that is based upon what we do know.
Jesus healed the paralytic so the people would know that he has the authority of God Mark As Biola professor J. Moreland often says, faith involves trusting what we have reason to believe is true.
The cities mentioned in the Book of Mormon have not been located i. When there is no convincing external evidence corroborating a belief, it must be based upon experience, feeling and blind faith. This may be the view of faith in the Book of Mormon, but it is decidedly not the biblical view see John — There are many more differences between Christianity and Mormonism some more central than others. Consider a few beliefs of the LDS church:. This raises the troubling question for Mormons of why Jesus even had to die.
Not true at all. One is justification, believing in the fact that Jesus died on the cross for my sins and that He rose again. Once you believe that. The second part is sanctification. Simply by believing in Him. And confessing it with your mouth. So simple that a child can understand. Thanks for the patience if you read the whole thing, Tom. You try your best to do what he says and obey him, but he also knows your gonna disobey him. You understand that. He died on the cross for our sins, so his torture is caused by us sinning.
Obey him and when you mess up say your sorry, if not to God to spare Jesus from the ignorance inside of all of us, then to Jesus for causing him pain. How did the thief on the cross get to be with Jesus in paradise? Was he baptized? Did he ever experience any of he sacraments? He knew who Jesus was…his Lord. We must stop all this legalistic stuff and know that we know that we know that Jesus is Lord!!
If we say that we are not sinners, the we make God a liar. Thank you Lord Jesus!! Hallelujah and Amen!! Baptism is the outward response to what is going on inside, after salvation. The thief did not have a chance to be baptized before death. Was he saved? You better believe it! Jesus walked this earth to teach and guide us. One of His examples was being baptized. We are to follow in His steps. Baptism comes after salvation. The Word was never meant to be complicated.
He offers us a precious gift, through His Son, Jesus Christ. The gift of salvation and everlasting life with Him. So in response to a previous post by someone else, baptism does not save. Salvation is required before baptism. In response to the person making the statement about repentance…..
It is my understanding that the blood sacrifice Christ made, was to cover sins up to the point of salvation. Because we are human, we will sin. Here is a hint. It is a concept derived from theology. Look up the baptism scripture and if you find it, please post it here.
It will suprise some of us. Looking forward to you post. I am pleasantly surprised that this thread has endured the years and is still providing spiritual and intellectual stimulation. God bless. Tom Sherman- you asked if someone finds a scripture on baptism as an outward sign to post here.. And it IS in the scriptures, contrary to your statement above…. Being baptized is an outward sign.
But John tried to talk him out of it. JESUS said that. Plain as day. And as you frequently mention, you prefer not to argue with Jesus, we share that sentiment. I agree we should all discard doctrines of men. HE is the author and finisher of our faith. NOT doctrines of men. Have a blessed day in the LORD. When did following God become so divisive? Sadly Henri, it has always been divisive. Only the blood of Christ holds it together. May the Lord forgive us! Hebrews KJV For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth law , there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
I agree with you Chloe. Jesus dying on the cross is the reason we received grace through faith. Its all about Him, the Trinity part. The division is there, but if we accept what His Son did and continue in faith, we will enter into heaven.
We will know all the answers when Jesus returns for us. Yo Jesus created a church. The Roman Catholic Church, the one the Lutheran church was derived from. If you truly love Jesus, then you should start going to the church he created and not the one that was tampered with by a human being, unless maybe you want to tell me that a human knows better than Jesus.
Actually Alicia, if you want to be technical, the Roman Church parted ways with the Orthodox Church, in large part, over the Catholic position that the Pope had authority over all other bishops. The Orthodox Church still holds to its original or at least early doctrine. All this can, of course, be disputed. However, it is historically documented. And because Jesus is the only important thing you need to go to the sacraments.
And the sacrament of reconciliation is literally created to help us grow closer to Jesus. And they were so close to Jesus that he graced them with miracles. Saints tell us how to live close to Jesus, and because you love Jesus so much you should look at how they lived their lives so that you can mirror them to become a better Christian. It seems a bit of a double standard regarding what you stated about Luther. And because the Roman Catholic Church was Soo corrupt at the time, Luther felt it necessary to call out the MEN and bring the Word to the people, in many ways, but one was by translating to the language of his countrymen, something kept from the people by the RCC.
You should learn the history before condemning. In the last days there will be, God will raise up an army that he has trained, that all follow Christ, all have been baptised in water and the Holy Spirit and by his Grace, serve him in love.
We are his chosen people, a Royal Priesthood. We do not belong to any denomination or church and have been taught by the Holy Spirit. So that no man can boast. I found it refreshing to find a like minded Christian…. Thank you for your message. Dont stay at home. Go out and demonstrate what he is teaching you.
This is how he is reviving the church. Through these worshipers in spirit and truth. Lol…not even all Christians are Christians. A Christian means a people or a man that follows and obeys the teachings of Jesus Christ. Now after all these years, I want to apologize for for my abrasiveness. I was and still am, very zealous for the word of God, however, I am now tempered by love.
If I was offensive, and I was, I apologize. I continue to assert the fact that we must follow scripture as our only guide for salvation and to resist the doctrines of man, but I now realize that the love of God manifest through us as we teach truth is what is desperately needed not incendiary language.
Humbly, Tom. Tom, your updated post replying to what you has posted back in warmed my heart greatly. God continually works on and in all of us in His way and on His timeline. As this happens, we will see growth in our spirituality. Our personality will change. We are continually being changed by God.
God Bless. Tom, you still have my love through Christ. No apologies are necessary, we all hold a true common thread, God. We all show or joy and passions in different ways, possibly say different things, that is what makes us individuals.
The passion for God is the thread that binds. Continue your passions and you will find great wisdom. Read Habakukk You are saying exactly what the passage is against. I am LCMS. We are a biblically inerrant denomination. We are sinners forgiven by the grace of God and the death and resurrection of His son Jesus Christ, just the same as my many brothers and sisters of other denominational and non denominational churches.
We are one body if we are children of the one true God. You are one of the best comments I read. Why the sio called Christians offend the Mother of Jesus? Even with mundane concept a Mother is venerated, celebrated. What is wrong with Christians?
I consider myself Catholic even though I do not go to church much. I say my prayers morning and night and I obey the 10 commandments. The blessed Mother… God is watching those that do not honor His Mother! A true Catholic do not become or go somewhere else to pray and honor God. The Catholic Church has changed. The Lutheran church was founded out of anger against the Pope.
To me anything born out of disrespect and anger, has not validity; however, I believe God is merciful and I am sure many Lutherans and others are good people and God is just! People will be just that and we must see that under God there is no difference among us. God love us all! Christ teach us to pray and included there the prayer of confession and it was stated again in 1;john It was his apostles and as we all know they were already sanctified and were living, at that time, under the Old Covenant.
You are also right in that John taught that we are to confess our sins and our sins will be forgiven. Unfortunately, what you left out was the context in which John was writing. You forgot to ask yourself whom it was to, that John was writing. As it turns out he was not speaking to a group of unconverted people; he was; in fact, speaking to a group of Christians. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. I have never read a NT verse that instructs individuals to pray a sinners prayer to be saved.
Have you? If so I would love to know which verse it is. A little hint to assist your search; the Church began after Jesus died on the cross. Heb Happy hunting and God bless! PS- I thought I would include a list the of purposes of baptism alone with the verses where they can be found.
You may be surprised to find that there are not any baptism verses that say that baptism is a symbol or a likeness as many preachers today claim. I have been reading what you all have said and stopped. Because everyone seems to to be claiming that they KNOW the Word better than someone else, when in fact none of us know, or will know, the Word perfectly and what it means until we make it to heaven. Personally, I am believing and living out the Word of God the best I can and am trusting God, not leaning on my own understanding, to lead me the rest of the way home.
Then, and only then, will we be able to say as a fact that we are saved. If you feel differently, I suggest praying about it and studying the Word further, as I will not argue over the truth, the Word of God. Just food for thought. I love you all. Im geeting confused with the diffrence between christian and lutharin.
I think were thinkin more than we should as long as you belive in what happened and have neverwitnessed it your loved in gods eyes for your faith. I was born in a christian family. And the reason im still christian is because of prays that i noticed were answered. Rite away or through out time. I think if you belive in christ thats all you need. Theres no argueing between religons like say chritian or lutherin. If you believe you belive thats all you need to be saved.
But dont take advantage of that by beliveing but living wrong try to do rite. He knows…. I can think of several things that NT scripture states we must do to be saved. Not even a non believer will argue this point. What does scripture say? John There is your verse. Good conversations. Yet in Genesis 3 22 God said See! The man has become like one of us…like one of us…who is us? Father the Son and the holy ghost..
Lutherans do not believe in transubstantiation which is that the bread and wine become the actual body and blood of Jesus. Lutherans believe in consubstantiation that the stuff of Jesus is present along side of the bread and wine. This is scientifically true as well as doctrinally true. Some protestants believe that the communion supper is only a memorial.
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